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Biden didn\u2019t formally apologize to Macron, but conceded the U.S. should not have caught its oldest ally by surprise.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cI think what happened was \u2014 to use an English phrase \u2014 what we did was clumsy,\u201d Biden said, adding the submarine deal \u201cwas not done with a lot of grace.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cI was under the impression that France had been informed long before,\u201d he added.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The U.S.-led submarine contract supplanted a prior French deal to supply Australia with its own diesel-powered submarines. The U.S. argued that the move, which will arm the Pacific ally with higher-quality nuclear-powered boats, will better enable Australia to contain Chinese encroachment in the region.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Macron said the two allies would develop \u201cstronger cooperation\u201d to prevent a similar misunderstanding from happening again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe clarified together what we had to clarify,\u201d he added, when asked if U.S.-France relations had been repaired. \u201cWhat really matters now is what we will do together in the coming weeks, the coming months, the coming years,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To that end, Macron\u2019s goal for the meeting was securing greater U.S. intelligence and military cooperation supporting French anti-terrorist operations in the Sahel region of Africa.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Macron praised Biden\u2019s \u201cvery operational, very concrete decisions\u201d in recent weeks that helped the French military fighting Islamic extremists in the Sahel.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Biden and Macron also discussed new ways to cooperate in the Indo-Pacific, a move meant to soothe French tempers over being excised from the U.S.-U.K.-Australia partnership that accompanied the submarine deal. Other topics on the agenda include China, Afghanistan and Iran, as well as climate change, before next week\u2019s UN climate summit in Glasgow, Scotland.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The French, who lost out on more than $60 billion from the submarine deal, have argued that the Biden administration at the highest levels misled them about the talks with Australia and even levied criticism that Biden was adopting the tactics of his bombastic predecessor, Donald Trump. France is especially angry over being kept in the dark about a major geopolitical shift, and having its interests in the Indo-Pacific \u2014 where France has territories with 2 million people and 7,000 troops \u2014 ignored.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The row challenged Biden\u2019s carefully honed image of working to stabilize and strengthen the trans-Atlantic alliance after Trump\u2019s presidency, as France for the first time in some 250 years of diplomatic relations pulled its ambassador to the U.S. in protest.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">U.S. officials, from Biden on down, have worked for weeks to try to soothe tensions, though not so much for Biden to visit France himself to try to reset relations with Paris. 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